c.s. lewis? problem with pain?

Yes, I've just started it.

It's like any of his non-fiction works, very practical, but you want to read it really slow so soak it all in.

I think you'd like it, it's not really bleak at all considering the title. In other words, he deals with more of the solution than the "problem". So far.

i am thinking about starting a very special lewis library and collecting all that was written by him or about him and whatnot. i really want to read surprised by joy. i wonder when that was written. before or after he met his wife, joy. interesting thought.

I've wanted to know more about his relationship with Joy, because all I hear about is that he lost her, and I know there's so much more than that, and after that.

hey, was it you that i recommended the OTHER Shadowlands movie to? there are two Shadowlands films--one starring Anthony Hopkins and the other starring Joss Ackland. the Joss Ackland one is older, but better (considering the tone and interp).

Jack met Joy in 1952. my personal 'take' is that he very likely intended the pun(s), although they are certainly not the point of the book. one thing i love about that book is the final page. he goes into this elaborate explanation of the metaphor (how joy is merely a pointer/signpost that means the world to a lost traveler but is completely forgotten and abandoned when said traveler is out of the woods and within sight of the destination CITY). and then he's like, oh? you want to know what became of my quest for joy? (oh? you mean whatever happened to the entire reason i wrote this book and the intended aim and conclusion of all these preceding pages?) and simply states that he's lost all interest in the subject since he became a CHRISTIAN.

SURPRISED BY JOY was copyrighted by Lewis in 1955. A GRIEF OBSERVED was copyrighted by one N.W. Clerk in 1961 (note that Lewis died on November 22, 1963. i don't know who in the cow 'N.W. Clerk' was.)

I don't think you did, but I've heard of the Hopkins version and of a stageplay(I believe)
either way, I'm interested in that as well.

I read a good chunk of PERELANDRA last night, the scene when Weston arrives and has the little "seminar" with Ransom. That's some crazy insight. One thing that the Lady said before she runs off the "fixed isle" showing her focus on Maledil.

"We shall meet when Maledil pleases, or if not, some greater good will happen to us instead."

hey guys, i have shadowlands with anthony hopkins. we bought it at b&n this summer. it is good and moving and all, but it leaves you with a sour taste for christianity. one of the last lines is when douglass gresham (joy's son) and jack are sitting in the attic talking about joy and douglass asks jack "do you believe there is a heaven?" and jack says yes. douglass says "i don't" and jack says "that's fine." and they both start crying. and that is pretty much the end of the movie. very touching. but in the movie joy is the one who changes his oppinon about joy. that even if there is pain later, it was worth having the joy now, and it makes the pain richer. another interesting comment is that when joy first gets sick with cancer, someone asks jack how he is handling it. and he says he prays about it. they ask do you think that will change anything? and he says that he prays because of the need to pray. it pours out of him. and he doesn't pray to change God's mind, but prays to change his. that was good. i liked that one. but n-e-ways. that is that. and i think overall it is good. you can borrow it when i get there.

watch the joss ackland version. the attic thing happened, and it's real, so i don't mind them including it. but the tone/interp of the earlier movie is better--more 'mere Christianity' and presented in a way that makes you actually want the Christ of it. hopkins is a phenomenal actor in his own right, but ackland outshines him as jack on aslan's back.

i shouldn't say 'the attic thing happened' per se. technically, lewis didn't say 'that's fine' as far as i know. in the joss ackland one douglas says he doesn't believe in heaven and he misses his mom. jack says (approximately) 'i miss her too,' and they sit there and cry together. the earlier movie goes on a bit longer after that point and resolves better. it's a great flick. right up there with THE HIDING PLACE and THE INN OF THE SIXTH HAPPINESS.

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